Last Update: 2009-11-18
- Overview
- The Industries
- Yard Office
- Paine Street Houses Between Manning Paper & Eagle Foundry
- Bridge & Building Dept.
- Signal Dept.
- The George Street Crossing
- City Directory
- Hudson River Bridge
- Green Island Not Modeled
Overview
- [Topographic map, c. 1953.]
- [Topo map, close-up.]
- [Sanborn Fire Insurance Map, c. '51.]
- [Aerial photo c. 1928, looking north.]
- [Aerial photo c. 1948, looking west. Photo courtesy RCHS.]
- [Aerial photo, looking east.]
The Industries
- The Rensselaer & Saratoga built their loco and car shops just north of Tibbets.
(The complex seen at the top of the first topographic map, above the pink area.)
Unfortunately, we don't have room to model this.
- [Photo c. 1900, from the Tony Steele Collection.]
- Thomas Edison apparently, due to his involvement with GE in
Schenectady, used to hunt and fish in the northern section of Green Island.
He introduced his friend, Henry Ford, to this region, and Ford saw an opportunity
to establish a plant here in 1922, to make
radiators and springs. The building was just recently (2004)
torn down. Unfortunately, we don't have room to model this, either.
- [Prototype photo, c. 1931.]
- House by the track at Swan Street, but we might model this on Center Street, just west of the Sweet & Doyle lot.
Gilbert Car Works
- In the 19th century, the Gilbert Car Works was a major industry.
Apparently it folded during the depression of 1893.
The complex on the left of this plan
became Manning Paper, with the curve in the northwest
corner still evident. The long shed ("Freight Shop")
with the five tracks in it became Clark
Trading, then Central Markets, which in turn became Price Chopper.
- [Prototype plan c. 1880.]
- [Sanborn map c. 1888.]
- [Engraving.]
Central Markets
- The long shed ("Freight Shop") of
Gilbert Car Shops with the five tracks in it became Clark
Trading, then Central Markets, which in turn became Price Chopper.
(Note the transfer table at the north end.)
- [Prototype plan c. 1880.]
- [Engraving.]
- The Center Street grade crossing.
- [Looking west c. 1959. Photo from the NEB&W D&H Collection. Manning is on the left and Central Markets on the right, both former buildings of Gilbert Car. (The remnants of the door for the tracks can be seen in the Central Markets building.) Simmons Machine is across the tracks.]
- [Prototype photo taken from closer to the tracks, from the NEB&W D&H Collection.]
- [Prototype photo looking east, from the NEB&W D&H Collection.]
- [Valuation map.]
- Central Markets c. 2000.
- [Two prototype photos combined, looking northwest.]
- [Two photos combined, north end.]
- [Trackside or west wall. What the purpose of the two dormers is unknown.]
- [Unfinished model being scratchbuilt by Marvin Kahn.]
- The sidewalk alongside the building (which I measured as 12 feet
out to the curb on the south end.
- In 1951, they were listed as the Golub Corp. and received 94 carloads in, about
one car every three days or so, and shipped out none.
- We still are looking for at least one photo of the store entrance c. 1932-1950.
Sweet & Doyle
- C. 1901, this was the site of Standard Signal, who
I think merged with General Railway Signal in Rochester, NY.
They must have moved the operation to Rochester by 1907.
- [Sanborn map, 1901.]
- Sweet & Doyle had a casting company across the tracks from the
Manning plant. The company was formed in 1905 and built
this plant in 1907. They brought in pig iron, molding
sand, and coke, and made "gray iron" castings and
special machinery.
Today the wood building is gone and the
main building is Green Island Homes.
- [Prototype view looking south, c. 1931.]
- [Close-up of the street end c. '31.]
- [Scratchbuilt model built by Rocco and Ian.]
- [Progress shot, Nov. '04. Melanie extended the siding across the street, and Ian is working on the background building. (The roof is awaiting some diamond shingle material.)]
- [Another view, Nov. '04. Ian also kitbashed and weathered the warehouse across the street from a Grandt Line kit.]
- [Model photo, Jan. 2005.]
- The main building was almost all windows.
- [Prototype view c. 1931, further south. (Yard office is in the background.)]
- [Close-up of the north end, c. '31.]
- [Broadside of the north end, c. 2002.]
- [Close-up of the track side c. 1980's. (Jeff English holds up a yard stick.)]
- [Broadside of the track side, in color c. 2000. This shows the corner treatment.]
- [Broadside of the track side, in color c. 2000. This shows the treatment around the side door.]
- [South end c. 1959.]
- [South end c. 1990's.]
- Sweet & Doyle also had buildings just
north of this. (I would think the pile on the
left are pig iron ingots.)
- [Valuation photo c. 1919.]
- The Center Street grade crossing.
- [Looking west c. 1959. Photo from the NEB&W D&H Collection. Manning is on the left and Central Markets on the right, both former buildings of Gilbert Car. Simmons Machine (Sweet & Doyle) is across the tracks.]
- [Prototype photo taken from closer to the tracks, from the NEB&W D&H Collection.]
- [Prototype photo looking east, from the NEB&W D&H Collection.]
Yard Office
- The yard office was at the north end of the wye, next to Sweet & Doyle.
- [Prototype view, c. 1919, looking west.]
- [Prototype view, c. 1950's, looking west. A little tipsy.]
- [Further back c. 1959.]
- [Rear view c. 1959.]
Eagle Foundry
- The old Eagle Foundry had a number of
unique features, such as the way the roof
trusses on part of the building extended above the roof itself.
The south end had a real strange profile, but I think that
was due to two side-by-side buildings with the valley getting
filled in. The building was torn down c. 1990.
- [Sanborn fire insurance map, c. 1901, back when it was the Franklin Boiler Works.]
- [Photo by Tony Steele, c. 1970's looking southeast.]
- [Bigger image.]
- [Looking southeast c. 1973. Photo by Tony Steele.]
- [Looking southeast c. 1990.]
- [Looking southeast from a distance, c. 1990.]
- [Looking southwest c. 1973. Photo by Tony Steele.]
- [Looking southwest c. 1980. Two photos combined.]
- [Looking northwest c. 1970's. Photo by Tony Steele.]
- [End view c. 1980's. (Jeff English holds a stick marked in foot long red and white increments as a scaling factory.)]
- [End view showing how the "valley" was probably filled in.]
- [End view c. 1990.]
- [Looking northeast c. 1990.]
- [Looking northeast another photo.]
- [Trackside photo looking due east, c. 1990.]
- [Demolition looking south, c. 1990's. (Note the whole roof truss with just part above the roof line.)]
- [Demolition looking west, c. 1990's.]
- [Demolition looking north, c. 1990's.]
- [Demolition looking southwest, c. 1990's.]
- For a short-term model, we are kitbashing the Walthers
Sugar Factory and a Kibri factory building into a reasonable
facsimile. ("Reasonable" being defined that we
are likely to get this version done soon.)
- [Model photo, Oct. 2004.]
- [Other end, Oct. 2004.]
- [Model photo, Dec. 2004 of the northeast corner.]
- [Model photo, Dec. 2004 of the back of this section.]
- [Model photo, Dec. 2004 of the trackside or west wall.]
- [Model photo, Dec. 2004 of the rest of the east wall.]
- [Model photo, Dec. 2004 of the back of this section.]
- [Model photo, Dec. 2004 of the northwest corner.]
- [Model photo, Dec. 2004 of the complex glued together. (The single-story wall is sitting on a pencil to make the joint line up at the other end. When this was dried, I put weights on both corners to get it to twist flat.)]
- [Model photo, Dec. 2004, another view.]
- [Model photo, Jan. 2005, with the sub-roof glued in place and the first of the trusses added. The bottle of Windex and the tape dispenser are being used for the weights to twist the structure flat.]
- [Model photo, Jan. 2005, another view.]
- [Model photo, Jan. 2005, more progress.]
- [Valuation photo, c. 1919.]
The prototype photo c. 1919 looking southwest, shows the track scale in the foreground and the derrick of the Bridge & Building Department to the right.
- [Prototype view.]
- [Sanborn map c. 1901.]
- [Plans of the D&H's scale house in Mohawk yard, drawn by Bill Mischler. Melanie Sembrat followed these plans for the Green Island scale house.]
- [Model view c. 2004 of Gordinier's.]
- [Progress view c. Feb. '05 of this section. The platform is from an AM Models kit, with the canopy and posts from a Revell freight house. The first two sheds are from a Revell kit, with the next one, the garage from the Revell farmhouse.]
- [More progress. Melanie scratchbuilt the scale house.]
Bridge & Building Dept.
- Sanborn map c. 1901.
- Prototype Valuation photos c. 1919. (The
derrick, for some reason, is still standing in the weeds,
and is also visible from I-787.)
- [V9a-31, used for iron storage. It was retired in 1948, although it still showed on the 1951 Sanborn, so it must have still been standing.]
- [V9a-32, the shop building. Part of it burned in 1937, leaving only about half still standing.]
- [Model view, scene under construction.]
- [V9a-33, another storehouse. It doesn't show on the Sanborn of 1903, and was retired in 1948. It sat between the shop building (above) and the track, and we might not have room to model it.]
- [V9a-34. This was a storehouse retired in 1948 along with the above store house (V9a-33) and the iron storage building (V9a-31). Even this, I don't think we can squeeze in.]
- [V9a-35, a store house.]
- [V9a-37, the mason's supply warehouse. (In 1903, this building was the signal shop, which later grew into its own complex, as seen below.) In the background is no. 34, I think.]
- [V9a-38, the template shop.]
- [Our model, under construction. (The roof is warped to fit up tight against the backdrop]
- [V9a-37 and -38 combined.]
- [Our scratchbuilt models, March 2005.]
- [V9a-39, the fire hydrant building. (Did it have a fire hydrant enclosed inside?)]
- [Model view, of a Bachmann 34 foot box car being kitbashed for the MOW car seen in the above view.]
- The derrick is a lonely survivor of all this railroad heritage.
(Anyone want to model this?)
- [Prototype view, 2004.]
- [Prototype view, 2004.]
- [Prototype view, 2004.]
- [Prototype view, 2004.]
- [Prototype view, 2004.]
- [Prototype view, 2004.]
- [Prototype view, 2004.]
- [Model view, derrick mockup, to see it fits, 2004.]
- [Another model view of the derrick mockup.]
- More of the B&B Dept., a little further north, all Valuation photos c. 1919.
- [V9a-41. One of these, I think the closest, was labeled storehouse, and the other was the shop for the car inspector. ]
- [V9a-42, seen in the background of the above photo. This was an oil house which in 1936 was moved to Whitehall to serve as a watchman's cabin (probably for the newly relocated main). We will be including it in our model of this grouping, despite that it wasn't there in 1950.]
- [Our model, Dec. 2004. (The coach is sitting there to see if we should place some MOW cars behind these structures.) The first building was kitbashed from a Revell shanty and the next one, the Atlas shed, with a new door and windows cut in. The third is the Walthers crossing shanty, with a new window and door cut into the blank side.]
- [V9a-43, seen in the background of the above two photos. This was a tool shed which lasted until 1957.]
- [Our model of this building, being kitbashed from an IHC toolhouse, no. 705, Feb. '05. (The door is from a Revell chicken coop.)]
- In several of the above photos, an old coach is seen.
Signal Dept.
- The Railroad's Signal Department was a cluster of small buildings just east
of the wye and across the tracks from the B&B Department.
- [Sanborn map.]
- These prototype photos were taken
c. 1919.
- [V9a-26 or building "B", on the Sanborn, looking south southwest. This was apparently the office building - note the dwelling behind it on the left and the roadmaster's office on the right. In 1903, this office was a private dwelling.]
- A view of building "A" with the office building on the left.
- [1919 Valuation photo, V9a-27, looking south.]
- [Models under construction.]
- The machine shop ("C") was at 90 degrees to the office building.
- [V9a-23,
close-up of the south end -
note the difference in siding between the addition and
the main building. This
was the pipe shop, retired in '48.]
- [V9a-24, looking north northwest, with building "D" on the right. This was the electric shop. The fortified gate suggests there was a board fence around the whole complex.]
- [Models under construction.]
- [V9a-23,
close-up of the south end -
note the difference in siding between the addition and
the main building. This
was the pipe shop, retired in '48.]
- The north end of the complex had a
long single-story building, "D" on the Sanborn.
- [V9a-25, the signal shop c. 1919.]
- [Aerial view looking east. The former depot is the second building on the far left.]
- [Model under construction.]
- We don't have any good photos of building E, except in the
long distance aerial view, it appears to have a lean-to or
shed-type roof. We are kitbashing it from an AM Model toolhouse
(two walls used for the backwall) and the IHC toolshed, no. 705.
- [Our model of this building, under construction, Feb. '05.]
- [Close-up of the window, with mullions added from Grandt Line's N scale roundhouse window, no. 8002, Feb. '05.]
- There is a carriage house in downtown Troy that it planned to
be copied for a similar shed, just outside this complex. It
is a two-story shed with a door on the top
floor strongly suggests a carriage house. It is fascinating, what
with the additions on the side
facing the row house. Note how the novelty siding is popping off the studding, in
its characteristic two-board fashion.
- [View.]
- [Another view, this time of the front.]
- [Another view, of the rear.]
- [Another view, of the north side and rear.]
- [Another view. The only way to take this was to shoot into the sun in order to get a broadside view of the side.]
NEB&W Guide to Green Island, NY